1 00:00:00,170 --> 00:00:02,570 Escape to the English Riviera. 2 00:00:02,870 --> 00:00:05,550 It is the antique capital of the UK. 3 00:00:05,890 --> 00:00:08,010 As we follow the dealers. That's fantastic. 4 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:09,570 And customers. 5 00:00:09,670 --> 00:00:11,830 Hunting for hidden gems. 6 00:00:12,190 --> 00:00:14,610 Wouldn't it be marvellous if it was a real potato? 7 00:00:15,010 --> 00:00:19,270 The Antiques Riviera on Mall 4. A brand new series. Starts 30 at 9. 8 00:00:21,650 --> 00:00:26,230 Dialing up the romance for Valentine's. We've a first date special here come 10. 9 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:30,510 The intensity of the media spotlight on Channel 4 first, though, with themes of 10 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:33,070 child abuse. Michael Jackson, The Trial. 11 00:00:42,530 --> 00:00:43,130 Channel 12 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:51,570 4 13 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:55,750 documentaries, sponsored by the new all -electric Ford Puma Jenny. 14 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:09,530 When you become an icon, like an international phenomenon, the jealousy 15 00:01:09,530 --> 00:01:10,530 involved. 16 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:13,310 I mean, I've seen some serious jealousy. 17 00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:17,830 They've been very, very cruel and mean to me. 18 00:01:18,150 --> 00:01:21,070 If they don't think I hear it and see it, I do. 19 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:22,450 I do. 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,220 If people could only see way before any of this crap that they started and 21 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:47,440 allegations and all these lies and stories, if they could see all the 22 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,020 and all the orphanages and all those things that I've done, if they could see 23 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:55,460 that, I think they would totally have a different opinion. 24 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,900 But people, they don't want the good stories. 25 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:26,330 Breaking news once again, so stand by here on Fox News Live. 26 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:30,610 Michael Jackson, of course, facing seven counts of child molestation, two counts 27 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:35,770 of administering an intoxicating agent to a child. He's facing 20 years. Fans 28 00:02:35,770 --> 00:02:40,370 started arriving in the middle of the night to get a good seat or stand right 29 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:41,390 next to the courthouse. 30 00:02:42,050 --> 00:02:44,550 The famous arraignment. Oh, my gosh. 31 00:02:44,910 --> 00:02:47,730 The entire world converged on Santa Maria. 32 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:50,110 More than a thousand journalists. 33 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:58,810 I was there for all of it. He is fighting these molestation charges and 34 00:02:58,810 --> 00:03:00,290 going to do everything he can. 35 00:03:01,370 --> 00:03:08,170 I think on my deathbed, certain events will flash before 36 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:10,310 my eyes because it was that intense. 37 00:03:11,130 --> 00:03:16,490 Michael Jackson is motorcade winding its way to the courthouse under police 38 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:17,630 motorcycle escort. 39 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:22,210 I was about four or five miles to get to the courthouse. 40 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:29,030 And the cops, with their sirens blaring, there were six motorcycle cops. 41 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:30,770 Not even the president gets that. 42 00:03:31,690 --> 00:03:33,290 It was a zoo. 43 00:03:36,210 --> 00:03:40,690 What can you tell us outside the Santa Maria courthouse? We heard cheers. 44 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:43,870 We arrived about 8 .45. 45 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:47,490 Michael did stop to acknowledge the hundreds of fans. 46 00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:51,110 It was just sheer craziness. 47 00:03:52,140 --> 00:03:54,720 I was there trying to record it with my videographer. 48 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:57,620 His entourage is coming up. 49 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:01,940 And Michael was telling his videographer, get that, get that. 50 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Michael Jackson was orchestrating. 51 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 There are people out there from all over the world. 52 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:17,839 So I think it's quite a spontaneous outpouring of support. That is nice to 53 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,220 A lot of those fans. 54 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:26,730 were buffed up there from Las Vegas, from San Diego, from Los Angeles. 55 00:04:27,070 --> 00:04:31,610 So while his attorney called it a spontaneous outpouring of love, it was 56 00:04:31,610 --> 00:04:32,990 actually highly orchestrated. 57 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:38,130 It shows Michael Jackson's genius at spectacle. 58 00:04:40,690 --> 00:04:45,290 Members of a black separatist group, the Nation of Islam, flanked the street. 59 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:49,290 They're reported to be protecting and possibly advising the singer. 60 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:53,340 Jermaine Jackson brings the nation of Islam. 61 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,520 And when they marched ahead of Michael, it was the most amazing sight I had ever 62 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,540 seen, this show of force. 63 00:05:04,020 --> 00:05:09,100 There is a strategy behind trying to galvanize the black community. 64 00:05:09,460 --> 00:05:12,700 White folks are doing this. White folks are prosecuting him. White folks are 65 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:13,700 accusing him. 66 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,260 And he's come to us for help. We're going to help. 67 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:19,260 And Michael knew that. 68 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:21,250 And he used that. 69 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:27,210 As we're arriving at the courthouse, there were three helicopters flying 70 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:28,330 circling. 71 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:33,070 There were a few thousand demonstrators, literally screaming. 72 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:36,670 This was child molestation. 73 00:05:37,650 --> 00:05:39,170 He's a 15 -year -old kid. 74 00:05:39,910 --> 00:05:42,490 He's a 15 -year -old kid who's a cancer survivor. 75 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:53,700 You didn't see him crying or holding his head down because he knew he was 76 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:54,700 innocent. 77 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,900 During his time in court, Michael would call me at 2 and 3 in the morning. 78 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:03,480 You've got to go out there and tell people I'm innocent. 79 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Michael feels very confident in his defense team, and we have a long way to 80 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:14,440 And that's what I did. 81 00:06:17,380 --> 00:06:20,900 Michael Jackson leaving Judge Rodney Melville's courtroom. 82 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,620 We know that Jackson nodded when he asked if he understood the charges. He 83 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:27,780 not guilty when asked for his plea. 84 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:33,100 Michael Jackson walks out of court, surrounded by his family, surrounded by 85 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:38,560 bodyguards, and when he's about to get into his SUV limo, all hell breaks 86 00:06:39,180 --> 00:06:42,660 Oh, my goodness, look at this. He's jumping on top of the car. 87 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:44,160 Oh, yeah, we see him. 88 00:06:44,510 --> 00:06:47,770 It's truly performing for his fans, truly performing. 89 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:54,050 The crowd is just going completely insane, and he's just turning around and 90 00:06:54,050 --> 00:06:55,050 of doing a move. 91 00:06:56,090 --> 00:07:00,590 Consequently, what was happening outside court made the headlines, as opposed to 92 00:07:00,590 --> 00:07:01,750 what was happening inside court. 93 00:07:02,630 --> 00:07:04,030 Brilliant strategy. 94 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:06,150 Pull focus. 95 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:07,650 Pull focus. 96 00:07:20,780 --> 00:07:23,120 A lot of people said, hey, that's just disrespectful. 97 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,660 That's not the way you conduct yourself. You conduct yourself with decorum. Any 98 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:30,540 attorney will tell his client, no, no, no, you show respect. 99 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:33,200 Uh -uh, not Michael Jackson. 100 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:40,660 If you want the world to know you are innocent, you show your face to 101 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:44,100 everybody that you are not afraid. 102 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:47,180 And that's what he did. 103 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,160 fire and the majesty when you can command an audience. 104 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:07,180 I love my fans, the loyal ones, that no matter what, they're there, man. 105 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:08,800 They're thick and thin. 106 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Whatever you do, they're right there with you. 107 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,000 They love me unconditionally. 108 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,180 I'm like a lion. Nobody can hurt me. Nothing can harm me. 109 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,580 I think people believe what they want to believe. 110 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:31,960 And it's not necessarily based on logic. 111 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,980 I think it's based on emotion. 112 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:40,820 He had the ability to be able to convince them of things that are 113 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:41,820 unbelievable. 114 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,780 And I think that created for him a sense of invincibility. 115 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:52,480 But from the prosecution standpoint, we knew we were dealing with a pedophile. 116 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,780 And he was the pedophile who could abuse children almost with impunity. 117 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,420 And we felt that we had enough cooperative evidence to be able to win 118 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,260 Michael was feeling frightened. 119 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:19,360 Pure, plain, and simple, he was scared to death. 120 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,000 He called me in the middle of the night, so upset. 121 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:29,620 Brian, why are they doing this to me? 122 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Because your name is Michael Jackson. 123 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:41,160 If your name were Smith Jones, they'd throw this case out in a hot second. 124 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,520 This is a fraudulent scam. 125 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,260 Gavin Arvizu was misrepresenting. 126 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:53,110 telling fantasies and false statements. 127 00:09:54,810 --> 00:09:57,590 He says, how are we going to win, Brian? 128 00:09:58,430 --> 00:10:01,770 And I said, we have to overturn every stone. 129 00:10:02,350 --> 00:10:06,710 It means subpoenaing and interviewing every witness there is. 130 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:09,790 And Michael said, do it, Brian. 131 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:11,850 That's what you're going to do. 132 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:13,370 I said, you bet. 133 00:10:15,950 --> 00:10:20,590 Another allegation of sexual abuse was going to bankrupt Michael Jackson, and 134 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:21,590 they knew it. 135 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:27,550 They knew what the consequence of a child coming forward and making another 136 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:32,450 allegation of child sexual abuse was going to be because of what happened 137 00:10:32,450 --> 00:10:34,650 Jordan Chandler back in 93. 138 00:10:39,950 --> 00:10:44,290 Pop superstar Michael Jackson is facing allegations of child abuse and Los 139 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:46,330 Angeles police have launched a criminal investigation. 140 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:49,110 This is the boy at the center of the allegations. 141 00:10:49,450 --> 00:10:53,670 13 -year -old Jordan Chandler was pictured with Michael Jackson on holiday 142 00:10:53,670 --> 00:10:55,170 Monte Carlo earlier this year. 143 00:11:02,550 --> 00:11:07,270 In 1993, I was Michael Jackson's... 144 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,720 personal chambermaid for his bedroom. 145 00:11:11,340 --> 00:11:13,540 I think he chose me because I was quiet. 146 00:11:14,060 --> 00:11:19,500 And I think he thought that he could keep his secrets with me. 147 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Hold on, let me use the inhaler. 148 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,960 Sorry. 149 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:42,080 Sometimes when I think of him, I get asthma. 150 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:43,500 Sorry. 151 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,420 Sorry, I'm probably crazy. 152 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:47,140 I don't know. 153 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:59,080 There were always little boys, different little boys, that never left. 154 00:12:01,060 --> 00:12:03,280 Running around the property. 155 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:12,260 At the theater, watching movies with no parents around. 156 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:18,840 And I think he'd get a kick out of watching them fight for his attention. 157 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:31,400 There was one day when Mr. Jackson had come into his bedroom with one of his 158 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,400 little friends. 159 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,880 And his little friend was Geordie Chandler. 160 00:12:38,670 --> 00:12:44,830 I was cleaning the stairwell, and so I kind of glanced, and where they stood, 161 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:46,210 they couldn't see me. 162 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:56,150 And I saw Mr. Jackson kissing Geordie on the cheek near his mouth, and I saw 163 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:57,970 his hand by his crotch. 164 00:12:58,250 --> 00:13:02,630 And I was bothered by seeing that, very, very bothered. 165 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:05,070 I didn't, I didn't... 166 00:13:05,390 --> 00:13:09,150 I thought that I didn't want to believe Michael Jackson was a 167 00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:15,710 man who had a problem with little boys. 168 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:21,910 They had been in a jacuzzi. 169 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:24,490 They changed their clothes and they took off. 170 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:28,330 It was an awful feeling. 171 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:29,810 I can't even explain it. 172 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:33,590 And then, you know, I kept thinking, well, maybe... 173 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,580 Maybe that's not what I'm seeing. You start questioning yourself for what you 174 00:13:40,580 --> 00:13:46,140 did see, and then you think, well, you can't just call the police over there. 175 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,340 They're going to think you're crazy. 176 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,560 My detective supervisor says, hey, Rose, I have a case that I need you to 177 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,560 investigate. 178 00:14:04,270 --> 00:14:10,930 We have allegations from a young victim that Michael Jackson sexually molested 179 00:14:10,930 --> 00:14:12,410 him on numerous occasions. 180 00:14:12,910 --> 00:14:15,870 So I'm like, Michael Jackson, you're kidding, right? 181 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:18,710 It was almost unbelievable. 182 00:14:20,730 --> 00:14:23,870 The media, they found out right away. 183 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:26,710 So it was all over the news. 184 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:31,850 That very same day, we went out to the victim's home. 185 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:36,550 I introduced myself and then began my interview. 186 00:14:38,350 --> 00:14:44,390 One of the first things he talked about being in Las Vegas with Michael Jackson. 187 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,440 The parents became very comfortable with Michael Jackson and allowed the victim 188 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,640 to spend time with Michael alone. 189 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,580 They were seeing, hugging, and touching. 190 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:26,280 Jackson was talking to the kid, and the kid was overwhelmed, according 191 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,220 to him, seeing his star. 192 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,840 And being able to touch him and say, wow. 193 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,100 This is the grooming process. 194 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:53,680 That night in his suite, Michael asked him, come on, let's watch 195 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,680 a movie. 196 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:01,560 The movie was The Exorcist. 197 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,660 He was petrified. 198 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Michael said, would you like to stay here, sleep with me? 199 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:13,960 And they did. 200 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:24,800 The victim described the abuse initially began with fondling, kissing. 201 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:33,020 Later on, it progressed to more aggressive sexual contact. 202 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:41,560 When mom found out that the child had slept with Michael Jackson, she 203 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,600 became pretty upset. 204 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Whenever he was confronted by a parent, Michael would start crying. 205 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:50,760 He made himself the victim. 206 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:55,090 You know, how can you think this of me? Oh my God, I would never do anything 207 00:16:55,090 --> 00:16:57,470 like that. You know, I love children. 208 00:16:57,810 --> 00:16:59,430 You have to trust me. 209 00:17:04,210 --> 00:17:06,770 Children, I think, can be very loyal. 210 00:17:08,950 --> 00:17:13,369 A lot of adults, they sell out to what they think people want to hear. 211 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:18,210 A good child will not do that. You show them a good time, the next day they're 212 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:20,130 all over you with love and hugs and kisses. 213 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,660 Michael Jackson today refused to comment on the police investigation as he 214 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:30,300 prepared for the first stage of his world tour in Thailand. 215 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:37,360 I remember when the allegations came out, the Jackson family, they held a 216 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:42,860 conference. We join you here today as a family united, a family that has 217 00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:44,580 struggled from the bottom up. 218 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:49,880 The family felt like somebody was trying to shake him down. 219 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:51,740 Michael has been made... 220 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,240 a victim and cruel, obvious attempt to take advantage of his fame and success. 221 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:05,320 The most important thing to them was that this image they had to protect. 222 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:11,660 Certainly in the black community, they were always like, we're the black 223 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:14,400 Kennedys. We're America's royalty. 224 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:20,540 Believe me, in 1993, the Jackson family was extremely powerful. 225 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:23,640 And boy, oh boy, did they ever come to his defense. 226 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,139 Jackson's Mr. 227 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:32,440 Fix -It. Private investigator Anthony Pelicano, one of Hollywood's most 228 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,800 people, called in to do damage control. 229 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:41,580 The strategy, it was about protecting the golden goose, number one, but also 230 00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:44,280 protecting the family's name. 231 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,840 Now you're seeing him start to take on this victimhood. 232 00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:51,850 This victim mentality. 233 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:53,450 It's not me. 234 00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:56,270 It's somebody else who's the bad guy. 235 00:18:59,690 --> 00:19:03,710 Good morning, everyone. The Michael Jackson child sex abuse investigation is 236 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:07,470 expanding. Authorities are looking into his relationships now with at least four 237 00:19:07,470 --> 00:19:08,470 boys. 238 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:14,450 The names were given by the victim's mom. 239 00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:20,150 She has a list of all the children that they met. 240 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:26,590 There were a lot of times where we went to locations to interview people. 241 00:19:26,890 --> 00:19:28,890 Anthony Patacano was there before we were. 242 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:32,370 First was Wade Robson. 243 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:38,610 Michael was helping him with his music career that he brought him from 244 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:41,610 because Michael saw the talent that he had. 245 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,240 When we got there, he refused to open the door at the beginning. 246 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:55,000 They basically, you know, said, look, Anthony Pelicano was here. We spoke to 247 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,800 him. He says that we're not obligated to speak to the police. 248 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:02,500 He's working for Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson never abused me. 249 00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:05,360 Wade Robson denied everything. 250 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Then Mr. Pelicano put the children on TV. 251 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,740 I know Michael very well. 252 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:15,240 I know he wouldn't do anything like that. 253 00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:21,000 Has he ever tried to do anything with you that would even be considered 254 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 questionable? 255 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,340 No, nothing. 256 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,740 With Brett Barnes, it was the same thing. He's a great man, and we don't 257 00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:30,740 anything to say. 258 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,620 When you'd have sleepovers and you'd stay in the same room or the same bed, 259 00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:38,900 that seem unusual to you at all? 260 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,440 No. Because I slept on one side of the bed, he slept on the other, and that was 261 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:50,400 that. It was ruthless with what they did. They really just had absolutely no 262 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,000 regard. They all negated that they were victims. 263 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,140 Things at Neverland change dramatically. 264 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Michael brought these. 265 00:21:09,729 --> 00:21:13,750 seven bodyguards back, and they would harass the employees. 266 00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:16,890 They had guns. 267 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:19,790 They'd point them at people. They didn't care. 268 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:25,370 They'd do whatever they can do to scare you to just shut the hell up. 269 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:31,190 One day I was in his bedroom when he was standing by his bed, and out of the 270 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:38,070 blue he says, Adrian, you know, if you ever say or do anything that I don't 271 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:40,830 like, All I have to do is tell security. 272 00:21:42,150 --> 00:21:44,770 They would take care of you, but it wouldn't come from me. 273 00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:47,650 I thought, you're threatening me. 274 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:56,950 And then I got a subpoena, and I had to give a deposition. 275 00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:59,890 My head was spinning. 276 00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:07,110 I was questioned about what I had seen. 277 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,500 with Mr. Jackson and Geordie. 278 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:18,140 I was young. I was scared, very mixed up. 279 00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:22,620 Michael had some kind of control over me, and I 280 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:28,860 didn't say what I should have said, 281 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,620 which was the truth, and I held it back. 282 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:41,820 Amid all Michael Jackson's trouble, it finally seemed he'd gotten his family in 283 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:45,400 line behind him. Except, of course, for the renegade Latoya. 284 00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:47,000 Michael is my brother. 285 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,960 I love him a great deal. 286 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:55,960 But I cannot and I will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes against 287 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,180 small, innocent children. 288 00:22:59,460 --> 00:23:04,800 What 35 -year -old man is going to take a little boy and stay with him for 30 289 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:11,360 days? It blew everyone away. The family is horrified and angry at the same time. 290 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,940 There's no validity to what she is saying. It's absolutely not true. My 291 00:23:16,940 --> 00:23:18,720 is not a child molester. 292 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,020 Latoya is lying, and I'll tell her to her face she's lying. 293 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,460 Latoya was ostracized for that. 294 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:33,780 And not only was she ostracized from the family, but fans turned on her and 295 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:34,780 drove. 296 00:23:42,889 --> 00:23:46,030 Michael was raised by a very pious mother. 297 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:49,190 I mean, any time I walked in on her, she was reading the Bible. 298 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,190 And Michael was raised in that milieu. 299 00:23:51,970 --> 00:23:55,750 He was deeply connected to his mother, who offered unconditional love and 300 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:56,750 acceptance. 301 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:11,910 All the stuff that goes on about my family and about Michael, it really 302 00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:16,850 When they were talking about him, about the child molestation thing, it makes me 303 00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:21,210 angry because he needed someone to help him, to protect him. 304 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:29,850 The family of a teenage boy is dropping a charge that Michael Jackson molested 305 00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:30,629 the boy. 306 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:34,770 The case was settled in secret, reportedly for millions. 307 00:24:35,530 --> 00:24:41,650 The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt by Michael 308 00:24:41,650 --> 00:24:44,490 Jackson. I felt the victim was very credible. 309 00:24:45,130 --> 00:24:48,470 But once that was settled, our case was gone. 310 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:50,190 It was killed. 311 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:53,890 One 312 00:24:53,890 --> 00:25:00,470 afternoon, 313 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:02,850 I was cleaning in Michael's room. 314 00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:07,420 And he came up to me and he said, Adrian, this is for you. 315 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:13,340 And he handed me an index card, and he wrote on it, Adrian, thanks for 316 00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:14,340 everything. 317 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,360 I opened it, and it was three $100 bills. 318 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,760 I felt like that was a payoff to cover up for him. 319 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:29,400 Kind of sad, so I don't know. 320 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,300 Can you guys hold on? Because my eyes feel like they're glossy. 321 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:40,160 Because I feel like stupid. 322 00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:48,220 Just dumb mistakes you make in life that, you know, you shouldn't do 323 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,299 And I did it. 324 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:50,780 But you live and learn. 325 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:55,340 Is that restroom open? 326 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,760 Sure. Okay, let me just stop because I don't want them to open. 327 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:15,360 Back in 1993, George Chandler became one of the wealthiest 13 -year -olds in 328 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,560 America overnight with the settlement of that case. 329 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,940 Did I feel that justice wasn't done? Sure. 330 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:25,980 But their visa family was very different. 331 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:29,920 They were determined that they weren't going to take money. 332 00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:33,260 Gavin was going to testify. 333 00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:46,290 I'm very different. 334 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:49,050 I don't follow a trail. I make the path. 335 00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:51,870 I'm an innovator, a pioneer. 336 00:26:52,650 --> 00:26:54,710 But have you had to pay a price because of that? 337 00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:55,849 Yes, I have. 338 00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:56,850 Terrible price. 339 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:58,850 Terrible price. 340 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:02,890 Racism, jealousy, just hate, just evil. 341 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:10,770 But I'll never lose it because it's what my heart is. 342 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,860 After five weeks of jury selection, the trial of the singer Michael Jackson will 343 00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:21,360 begin in California later today. 344 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:25,700 Celebrity justice correspondent Jane Velez Mitchell has been following the 345 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,320 She joins us from Santa Barbara. This is a Shakespearean tragedy. 346 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,660 It's an American tragedy. It's a human tragedy. 347 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:36,640 There was a certain sense of privilege of being able to cover it. 348 00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:39,880 What do we know about the 12 -year -old? The story today is he's a cancer 349 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,720 survivor. There was so much media there, you would have thought it was like a 350 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,900 national political convention. 351 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,340 Michael Jackson arriving with his mother and brother Jermaine was greeted by 352 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:50,760 both cheers and jeers. 353 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,500 The entire world was focused on whether Michael Jackson is or is not a 354 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:57,500 pedophile. 355 00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:05,640 This was the most expensive prosecution in the history of Santa Barbara County. 356 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,660 Michael Jackson's word against theirs. 357 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,020 They say he exposes kids to alcohol, porn, and... 358 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:15,610 Strange sexual behavior. 359 00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:20,270 He is very serious, subdued. He came in, he waved briefly to his fans. He came 360 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:22,450 in with Jermaine, his brother, and his mother. 361 00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:25,970 He was elaborately dressed, sort of a regal thing. 362 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:31,370 He also wore a band, and I guess the significance of the band was for him 363 00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:32,370 saying, I'm innocent. 364 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:38,510 From everything I've seen and I've heard and I've followed, there's no way he's 365 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:39,510 guilty, you know. 366 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,220 The sale of his record soared. I said, Michael, your records are selling like 367 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:50,860 hotcakes. Your fans believe in you. 368 00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:54,940 And I am going to prove you innocent. 369 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,360 The jury in the Michael Jackson trial will hear two very different stories 370 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,620 opening statements began today. 371 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,960 The defense is expected to describe Jackson as the victim of a money -hungry 372 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,300 who coached her son to lie for cash. 373 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,800 The prosecution, on the other hand, will paint Jackson as a wicked pedophile who 374 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,180 got a sick boy drunk to molest him. 375 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,380 Did I ever feel that we had it in the bag? No, not at all. Not at all. 376 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,720 I knew that ultimately, for a jury, it would be very easy for them to absolve 377 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,040 themselves of any of the responsibility of him going off into prison. 378 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,880 That was my biggest fear. 379 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,240 Now it's all up to them, the jury. Four men, eight women. 380 00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:43,560 You're very conscious of what you're doing and what the magnitude of your 381 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,760 participation is. 382 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:48,940 It's Michael Jackson's legacy up for grabs. 383 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:56,580 Is he going to be remembered as this person that just loved children or one 384 00:29:56,580 --> 00:30:01,160 the world's greatest entertainers who was a child molester? 385 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,700 It was Martin Bashir's documentary, Living With Michael Jackson, which 386 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:09,160 an investigation which led to this trial. 387 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:15,640 When people hear that children from other families have come and they've 388 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,300 in your house, they've stayed in your bedroom, 389 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,540 Well, very few. 390 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,120 But, you know, some have. 391 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:26,060 I thought that that was good, compelling evidence for us. It's the admission 392 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:27,820 that he sleeps with kids. 393 00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:33,400 Is that really appropriate for a man, a grown man, to be doing that? How do you 394 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,360 respond to that? I feel sorry for them because that's judging someone who wants 395 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,580 to really help people. 396 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:40,220 Why can't you share your bed? 397 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,480 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 398 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:47,040 You really think that? 399 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Yeah. 400 00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:54,210 Martin Bashir's reaction to it, I thought was the reaction a reasonable 401 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:55,210 would have. 402 00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:58,190 How do you justify having children in your bed? 403 00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:03,570 What other adult man do you know anywhere in the world who does that 404 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:04,570 a pedophile? 405 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:09,350 Who would you be willing to let your children sleep with in terms of an adult 406 00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:10,350 man? 407 00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:12,390 And the answer is nobody. 408 00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:18,020 The defense set out to undermine Martin Bashir's credibility, bombarding him 409 00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:22,400 with questions, most of which he refused to answer, citing a journalist's right 410 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,660 to protect his sources. 411 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,620 Jackson and Gavin had a very emotional connection. 412 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:36,560 When they first met, Gavin was recovering from cancer, he had been 413 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,680 sick, and Michael Jackson was there to offer support. 414 00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:47,190 Gavin said Michael would do things that would take down inhibitions. 415 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:55,390 And then it escalates into increasingly sexual language. So he's 416 00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:58,330 desensitizing kids. 417 00:31:58,550 --> 00:32:05,130 He makes them feel like they're culpable. He uses the word we. 418 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:08,630 We're doing this. We'd be in trouble. 419 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:15,850 He... incorporates the child in all of the misbehavior, 420 00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:21,390 you're already in trouble for drinking alcohol, 421 00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:23,610 watching porn. 422 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:28,750 Like, there's already a million things your mom can never know about by the 423 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:29,750 you're abused. 424 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:36,010 Michael Jackson's public persona was the person who just loved children. 425 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,160 And what he was trying to convince people of was that he really was the 426 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,160 -day Peter Pan. 427 00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:45,180 But there is no such thing as Peter Pan. 428 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,700 What he was always doing was looking for a child that he could eventually get 429 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:52,700 into his bed. 430 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,380 And, of course, it was Gavin who was the target of his attentions. 431 00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:03,940 For Gavin, it was worse than getting cancer, which how can you... 432 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 say that? How can anybody say that about anything? 433 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:15,260 I know Gavin, and Gavin's just a very truthful person. 434 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,280 He isn't the person that wants to hang on to a lot of baggage. 435 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:26,360 He's just going to confront what this is and deal with the repercussions. 436 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:39,320 The key witnesses in this extraordinary trial whisked into court this morning 437 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,640 through a side entrance. 438 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:43,460 Gavin, Michael Jackson's accuser. 439 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,460 It's the big moment of the trial. 440 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:47,980 The accuser is taking the stand. 441 00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:52,900 The heart of the testimony is going to be delivered by the accuser on this day. 442 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,540 I was standing right there outside the courthouse waiting for Michael Jackson 443 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:02,480 arrive, and that is the day that Michael Jackson doesn't come to court. 444 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:08,840 His face etched with anxiety, Michael Jackson's lawyer waits for a client 445 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,839 gone missing. 446 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:16,120 The judge says, you better get to court within the hour or I'm going to arrest 447 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,440 you. We're just waiting on pins and needles, literally staring at where the 448 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,480 is supposed to show up. 449 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,219 Everybody's like, is he going to show? Isn't he going to show? What on earth is 450 00:34:27,219 --> 00:34:28,219 going on here? 451 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,900 There was a giant motorcade. 452 00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:37,310 helicopters above as Michael Jackson raced from the hospital to the 453 00:34:38,969 --> 00:34:44,330 They were driving up the 101 freeway at 110 miles an hour. 454 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:48,409 Because the judge said, if you're not here in an hour, I'm forfeiting your 455 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:50,030 Somebody was going to get killed. 456 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:51,370 I was furious. 457 00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:56,710 Judge, you have to understand this man's life and the people surrounding him. 458 00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:58,390 Nope. An hour. That's it. 459 00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:08,990 It was like watching a movie unfold, but you're part of the movie. 460 00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:13,070 A strange day was just about to get even stranger. 461 00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:20,510 After a while, he shows up, and he gets out very slowly in his 462 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:21,510 pajamas. 463 00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:30,270 All the focus shifts to outside court, not to the little boy. 464 00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:36,180 waiting in the wings to testify and accuse Michael Jackson of molestation. 465 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,440 Imagine what he was going through. 466 00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:45,060 A couple ways to look at this. First of all, he really was hurt and needed to 467 00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:48,980 get to the hospital. The other is that maybe it's just a ploy to drum up some 468 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,260 kind of sympathy from the jury. 469 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,560 A cynic would say, brilliant orchestration to destabilize the 470 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:59,420 I mean, this guy knows. 471 00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:04,710 how to direct the attention to him and away from what's happening inside court. 472 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:08,630 And he did it over and over and over again. 473 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:10,410 What does this kid have to say? 474 00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:14,170 Well, I'll tell you, he comes across as a very believable, articulate, and 475 00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:15,170 sympathetic witness. 476 00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:19,230 This boy has been waiting in the wings for this moment, and his moment has 477 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:22,770 It's kind of strange. 478 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:28,290 You know, here we sit, you know, 20 years later, and I'm still remembering. 479 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,660 how I felt, he absolutely looked believable to me. 480 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:43,000 To me he appeared to be a child that was going through this really 481 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,480 terrible struggle to admit 482 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,360 that as a boy he had been molested by a 483 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,360 man. 484 00:36:57,610 --> 00:37:02,110 Now you have to tell your story in front of the world, talk about all these 485 00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,630 things that you did. You know, that's really hard to do. 486 00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:11,230 It's the worst thing that a boy would ever have to say out loud. 487 00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:16,330 It's why most men go to their death with these secrets. 488 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:25,070 And now the race is on. 489 00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:30,430 Can Jackson's defense sufficiently discredit a child witness over the next 490 00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:32,270 days without upsetting him? 491 00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:36,750 We went to trial with the molestations that took place in the three -week 492 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,210 after the Bashir documentary. 493 00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:42,750 We believe that he was molesting Gavin prior to that as well. 494 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:48,830 But I think that the bulk of the molestation and all of the charged 495 00:37:48,830 --> 00:37:51,310 the molestation occurred during the three -week period. 496 00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:54,540 Why would he do it with that focus of attention? 497 00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:56,780 The answer is he can't help himself. 498 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,140 He was a pedophile. 499 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,760 Michael Jackson's lawyers are taking aim at his accuser. 500 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,640 Jackson's lawyer's clear intention is to paint this boy as someone whose word 501 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,980 the jury simply cannot afford to trust. 502 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,600 We asked the prosecution when it was that Michael Jackson molested Gavin 503 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,720 Harvey's. One incident was February 21st, they said. 504 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,920 The family was at the ranch. Gavin was in bed with Michael and Star, the 505 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,300 brother, came up the stairway and Star saw Michael masturbating the boy in bed. 506 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,080 I said, really? 507 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,600 I have here an article from the Palm Beach newspaper, February 22, that the 508 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,120 before Michael Jackson was seen shopping in Palm Beach, Florida. 509 00:38:44,140 --> 00:38:48,120 Now, how was it that he was at Neverland Ranch on the 21st? 510 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:52,030 Bingo, I got him. Michael was telling the truth. 511 00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:53,670 These accusers were not. 512 00:38:56,730 --> 00:39:01,890 It's a tough thing for kids to come forward and publicly talk about having 513 00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:02,970 victim of sex crime. 514 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:09,310 Very often, the victims of sexual abuse can't say with certainty the details of 515 00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:12,430 what had happened on this occasion or that occasion or the next occasion. 516 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:14,730 It's just the nature of the phenomena. 517 00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:19,130 This isn't a whodunit where there's clearly a crime and one or more victims. 518 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:20,850 This is a, did it really happen? 519 00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:27,210 Everything about this case is confounding. 520 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:31,410 There's the innocent explanation and the sinister explanation. 521 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:35,230 Is Gavin the accuser credible? 522 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:37,210 Is Michael Jackson credible? 523 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:38,890 You decide. 524 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,440 The defense in the Michael Jackson trial suffered a big setback today. The judge 525 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,380 said he will allow the prosecution to present evidence that Jackson has been 526 00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:56,900 accused of molesting children before. 527 00:39:57,580 --> 00:40:03,220 What we were able to bring in with regards to past bad acts was that a 528 00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:07,180 years earlier, Jordan Chandler walked away with millions of dollars. 529 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,560 The jury looks at that and they think, come on, how is this going to happen 530 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,490 twice? It's a huge blow to Jackson, and it's great news for prosecutors. They 531 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:21,450 essentially get a second chance to make a first impression, and the whole case 532 00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:23,090 has changed. It's a new dynamic. 533 00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:31,090 What happened 10 years ago is irrelevant. 534 00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:38,990 You have to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on what 535 00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:42,350 they did now, not what they did before. 536 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,960 Oh, you can besmirch the defendant, you can make the defendant look bad. 537 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:49,080 That's not evidence. 538 00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:51,600 That's character assassination. 539 00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,960 When I left Neverland and walked out of that job, me and a lot of the employees, 540 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,860 we sued Mr. Jackson for the treatment that we got, the things that we saw, 541 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,740 Michael with kids and stuff. 542 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,920 There were a lot of different counts, and there was molestation in there. 543 00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:15,170 The judge ruled that we could not bring up molestation. 544 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:18,170 We lost our lawsuit. 545 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,610 So when I got called for his trial, I didn't want nothing to do with Michael. 546 00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:28,170 I didn't even want to look at him. 547 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:33,490 Former Jackson maid Adrienne McManus is now on the stand. She is talking about 548 00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:36,710 the parade of young boys who came through Neverland. 549 00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:43,310 When I walked in there, he looked at me like... Oh, Adrian, where have you been? 550 00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:44,790 I've missed you. 551 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:48,810 That angered me because I could see the games through him. 552 00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:53,850 You know, I saw what he did to me. I saw that he only cared about himself. 553 00:41:54,990 --> 00:42:00,690 I said what I had to say about what I saw with Mr. Jackson and Jordan Chandler 554 00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:02,050 and what I had seen. 555 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:05,070 And Michael just turned his face. 556 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:07,350 He would not look at me again. 557 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:10,070 And I thought, good, I am free from you now. 558 00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:12,430 You don't control me. 559 00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:22,690 I truly felt that Michael Jackson was a child molester. 560 00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:27,730 I felt that then, and I haven't changed my mind now. I still feel that way. 561 00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:31,950 But I had to give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt. 562 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:36,110 You know, he really didn't do this or whatever. That's what the jury was 563 00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:37,110 supposed to do. 564 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,960 What should have been a damaging account instead fizzled after Tom Mesereau 565 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,280 dismantled her on cross -examination, getting her to admit she tried to sue 566 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,900 Jackson and lost, and lied in an earlier deposition. 567 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:54,300 They destroyed us. 568 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:02,320 So, and that's, like I said, I get angry that, you know, a lot of people, 569 00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:07,220 especially the jurors, right away they were like, yeah, these people. 570 00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:13,970 They just want money. They just want money. It was a tough situation dealing 571 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:14,970 with that. 572 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:20,710 The problem that we had was that a number of the people who worked for him 573 00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:27,650 brought a lawsuit against him and lost and ended up with a 574 00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:34,110 judgment against them for expenses, a judgment that they never paid, 575 00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:37,070 and it seriously affected their credibility. 576 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,800 and their ability to be able to talk about what had happened. 577 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,720 It really hurt us. 578 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:52,280 There was another witness that really, to this day, sticks with me, was 579 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,660 Jordan Chandler's mom. 580 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,580 The latest twist in his trial, a claim that Michael Jackson begged a young 581 00:44:01,580 --> 00:44:04,540 mother to allow the youngster to sleep with him. 582 00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:10,130 That allegation was made by June Chandler, who said she was showered with 583 00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:15,150 jewelry by the singer as he swept her family off on trips to Monaco, Florida, 584 00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:16,350 and Las Vegas. 585 00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:22,310 I remember her taking a stand just 10 years after Jordan's situation. 586 00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:31,910 And she said she was a horrible mother, and her exact words was, I sold my son 587 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:33,270 to Michael Jackson. 588 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,980 She said that she hadn't heard from her son, and she understood why. 589 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,300 I just thought, oh, my gosh. 590 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:47,400 It moved me. I can't understand how it would not have moved any jury. 591 00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:55,940 I thought it was very damaging testimony, particularly the moment where 592 00:44:55,940 --> 00:45:01,260 that Michael Jackson, crying and shaking and trembling, begged her to allow. 593 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,360 her son to sleep with him and basically said we're family well they're not 594 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,060 family why should a mother be asked to trust a middle -aged man to be entitled 595 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:20,760 to sleep with her son i thought oh my gosh what kind of grown man 596 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,800 would try because this mother decides she don't want to bring her little boy 597 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,420 have a sleepover with you and i thought 598 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:36,040 She's gonna lose this thing what possessed a mother to allow her son to 599 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,760 stranger's bed was never made clear But asked by the prosecution as she 600 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,400 concluded her testimony whether she regretted placing her trust in Michael 601 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:52,320 Jackson June Chandler replied very much though The message it was kind 602 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,500 of clear to me 603 00:45:54,670 --> 00:46:00,010 The parents didn't protect their sons because they were groomed as much as the 604 00:46:00,010 --> 00:46:04,390 kids were into thinking that everything was going to be okay. 605 00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:09,990 They were as awestruck with Michael Jackson as the kids themselves. 606 00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:19,370 This was what Michael Jackson would do. He was able to win over the loyalty. 607 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,140 of the mothers of these children by giving them lavish gifts and treating 608 00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:25,140 to a lavish lifestyle. 609 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,680 We had Jordan Chandler's mother in there. We had the proof that there was a 610 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,400 settlement. We had the proof that he had spent an endless amount of time in bed 611 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,860 with him. I've won cases with no more evidence than that. 612 00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:47,160 There's witness after witness that say Jackson had the pattern and practice of 613 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,400 molesting children. And I'll tell you, the jury's going to look to that, and 614 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,260 they're going to have a difficult time saying that Jackson is not a pedophile 615 00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:55,260 this case. 616 00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:06,130 If you've been affected, you can get support by heading to channel4 .com 617 00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:10,930 support and the case concludes tomorrow night from 9. Or stream the whole of 618 00:47:10,930 --> 00:47:14,130 Michael Jackson The Trial right now on Channel 4 Streaming.